The Immortal Beloved German " Unsterbliche Geliebte " is the mysterious Krebs - Immortal Beloved  of a love letter which composer Ludwig van Beethoven wrote on 6—7 July in Teplitz.
The entire letter is written on 10 small pages, in Beethoven's rather inconsistent handwriting. Since Beethoven did not specify a year, or a location, an exact dating of the letter and identification of the addressee was speculative until the s, when an analysis of the paper's watermark yielded the year, and by extension the place.
Scholars have since this time been divided on the intended recipient of the Immortal Beloved letter. The two candidates favored by most contemporary scholars are Antonie Brentano  and Josephine Brunsvik. That Josephine could have been the unknown woman was subsequently suggested by analyses of similarities in wordings and phrases between earlier letters from to and this mysterious one frommainly in the monographs by Massin, Goldschmidt and Tellenbachp.
This, together with interviews of some of the Brunsvik descendants, led her to the conclusion that Therese must have been the "Immortal Beloved. At first most researchers, including Alexander Wheelock Thayer also thought Therese was the "Immortal Beloved". Thayer thought the letter must have been written around Thomas-San-Gallichecked out the official listings of guests in Bohemiaand at first in concluded that Amalie Sebald was the "Immortal Beloved". Sebald was definitely not in Prague at the beginning of Julyand Cooperp.
There was also a forged Beethoven letter by Paul Bekker in Die Musik But it was already shown to be a hoax by Newman —- a last-ditch effort to salvage the discredited Guicciardi hypothesis.
La Maraafter discovering more letters and notes in the Brunsvik estates, was k.d. lang - Songs For Swinging Lovers convinced "that Czekefor the first time, published Therese's diary notes ending Krebs - Immortal Beloved ; some were known already to Rolland Kaznelson evaluated more of the documents in the Brunsvik estates, and even though he thought that Rahel Varnhagen was behind the "Distant Beloved" he concluded that the "Immortal Beloved" must have been Josephine mainly because her daughter Minona was born exactly nine months after the encounter with Beethoven and her husband Baron Stackelberg was away.
Marek argued the case for Dorothea Ertmann. Leyp. But curiously enough, it is precisely the same documents which shed a definitive light, in the negative sense, on Therese which bear witness to Beethoven's passionate love for her sister Josephine.
Riezlerp. From the standpoint of music theory, the connections make eminent Krebs - Immortal Beloved . It is like a dream, that he was the Part R - Berndt Luef, Jazztett Forum Graz - L5, the confidant of our house — a beautiful mind!
Why did not my sister Josephine, as widow Deym, take him as her husband? White Din - Krokus - Headhunter soul-mate! Krebs - Immortal Beloved were born for each other. She would have been happier with him than with Stackelberg. Maternal affection made her forgo her own happiness.
Again Therese on Beethoven: "How unhappy, with such intellectual talent. At the same time Josephine was unhappy! Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien — both together they would have been happy perhaps. Josephine's intimate friend, her soul mate! They were born for each other, and if both were still alive, they would be united. Josephine's candidacy as the "Immortal Beloved" was contested by Solomonmainly in response to Massin, Goldschmidt and Tellenbach In the French scholars Jean and Brigitte Massin noted that Antonie Brentano was present in Prague and Karlsbad at the time and proposed her as a possible candidate for the "Immortal Beloved":.
There was four years later also a claim by a Japanese author Aokiwho had "discovered" Antonie. However, this had not been noticed outside Japan. She also published her findings again in a recent book in German Aoki Once again and more detailed Solomonsuggested Antonie Brentano to have been the "Immortal Beloved".
Goldschmidt showed that "for short stays, The Last Waltz - Fairport Convention - The Bonny Bunch Of Roses [as opposed to foreigners] were exempt from reporting requirements". My estimate is Dilettante verses There is still room for a reasonable doubt. Goldschmidt summarizes: "The Antonia hypothesis … is not so fully convincing that it excludes all others.
Altman "demonstrates, as indeed Tellenbach has done, that much of the basis for the claims of Antonie's supporters consists of distortions, suppositions, opinions, and even plain inaccuracies. Lund made a claim that Antonie's son Karl, born exactly eight months after the alleged encounter with Beethoven, should have been his son; even Solomon did not endorse this, as he thought "it was 'sensationalistic'. Beahrsp. Although all have been advanced as Beethoven's unknown Immortal Beloved, the assessment is unsupported by the record or by any known correspondence.
Intimate friends of Beethoven, true, one and all; but loves? Meredithp. I must reiterate that we have no such evidence of a passionate love relationship between Antonie and Beethoven In Der Wirklichkeit - Blumfeld - Ein Lied Mehr - The Anthology Archives Vol. 1, just of a close friendship; for Josephine, … we know he was indeed passionately in love with her in at least.
She was a happily married wife and mother These can be summarized into two important items:. All of the puzzling aspects about Beethoven's affair with the 'Immortal Beloved'. Why do we doubt his word that there was only one woman who had captured his heart? In the film Immortal Belovedwritten and directed by Bernard Rosethe Immortal Beloved is Beethoven's sister-in-law Johanna Reisswith whom he had a long and frustrating legal battle over the custody of his nephew Karl van Beethoven.
Canadian composer James K. The cycle sets excerpts from Beethoven's letter of 6—7 July From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Redirected from Unsterbliche Geliebte. For other uses, see Immortal Beloved disambiguation. This section does not cite any sources.
Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. The letter was addressed to "My Angel The letter was also published by BrandenburgLetterand Goldschmidtpp. An early English translation, with several errors, was offered by AndersonLetter ; a Krebs - Immortal Beloved better translation is in Beahrs Beethoven Her Krebs - Immortal Beloved name was in fact "Julie", as she was always called Steblin ; in Beethoven's dedication of his Piano Sonata No.
For some reason this name has stuck ever since one of many myths about her, like her incorrect age and wedding date, see Steblinp. Nothing but bubbles and dreams!
Schaum und Traum " Tellenbachp. Being happily married to Achim von Arnim sinceshe is usually considered one of All My Life - Various - The Pitch/ Gusman Records Story less likely candidates for the title of "Immortal Beloved".
Schindler journeys throughout the Austrian Empire interviewing women who might be potential candidates as well as examining Beethoven's own tumultuous life. In the final scenes of the film, after Schindler is unsuccessful at discovering the truth, it is revealed that Johanna van Beethoven, Beethoven's hated sister-in-law, was supposedly the Immortal Beloved, and that Karl was their love child.
This, of course, is pure speculation. See also Lockwood This forgery fooled many scholars at the time: "The editors of 'Die Musik' submitted this Beethoven manuscript to many well-known experts, all of whom independently declared it to be genuine. Not enough: "Bekker made it then public that his Beethoven letter was a forgery.
Astonishingly, this book was published in in German translation even though the "13 Letters" translated by Anderson, had meanwhile been published, clearly indicating a very heterosexual drive in the composer! Elaborated by Goldschmidt This was then also in response to the biography by Schindlerrefuting his hypothesis that Julie Guicciardi was the "immortal Beloved". Josephines Herzensfreund!
See She Moves Through The Fair - Johnny McEvoy - Sounds Like McEvoy Tellenbach for the effect of guardianship laws. Josephinens Haus- und Herzensfreund! Goldschmidt's judgement about Stoll is far too negative however. Stoll was a very successful playwright, who from on even received an honorary pension from Napoleon. They were therefore not independent objective requirements at all.
Goldschmidtp. Cooper's statement however that "To get to Jedlersee from Klosterneuburg, you have to cross the Kahlenberg. Walden's book is also summarized and Krebs - Immortal Beloved by Patricia Stroh in the Beethoven Journal 26p. Ich habe Stackb zu liebe [mich] physisch zugrunde gerichtet indem ich Ludwig van Beethoven.
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